Bianca: I am here with Jay we had this awesome, awesome session and it’s kind of been a bit out of this world and it like blew my mind in so many ways you were the epitome of under promise and over over-deliver.
So I’ve had friends, a whole bunch of people sort of just wondering what the hell was I going on about my big raving testimonial for you?
So, Jay, would you introduce yourself first and what it is that you do or so we can learn a little bit more about what you do.
Jay: So my name is Jay Anderson. I have created a Hauora healing. So what I do is ancient Maori healing with my hands through romi romi and mirimiri and breath work as well. So I use miri miri, miri miri is a type of massage, which is pretty much around aroha (love) and pretty much releasing anything slowly and really relaxing the body as well.
Sometimes we hold a lot of stuff in our body that we don’t want anyone to know about or things that we try and hide, things that aren’t balanced in our life that gets pulled up in our body.
So I remove that with massage as well through miri miri and then I also use romi romi as well. so it only, it on me is a bit harder. And that’s when I use a lot of elbows and stuff, and that’s pretty much provoking as well, really trying to get trauma out of the body can be really sore as well, and emotional releases as well.
That’s pretty much what I do with romi romi and miri miri as well, and then incorporate the breath as well. So self-regulating through our emotions with the breath as well. But yeah
Just that, just a bit of that.
Well, yeah it was funny cause I didn’t really think I was that set up for what to expect and like you said, sometimes people are just think they’re going to get a massage, you know, and I do remember as I was sort of lying there, just firstly feeling so relaxed, it didn’t take long to feel relaxed.
I remember thinking, I was like, I wonder if Jay minds, if I just like sleep here the rest of the day, like I don’t want to move, but I want to go.
Having been an athlete most of my life, I think when you do come in, like that was probably something that really struck me was that you were looking at the body more holistically. It wasn’t like, oh, you’ve got a sore neck. So now let’s just massage the muscles around there that saw it was more so, some of the questions that you’re asking me and it was a re-alignment of more so the deeper underlying issues of how, what was I thinking, what was I feeling, to hold myself in that posture that led to a sore neck, right?
Jay: Yes, exactly.
Bianca: So like how did you even start learning about this?
Jay: So something that I’ve always known as well, my mum, my mother used to do this as well and something that runs in the family as well.
So growing up, I was always around it and it was sort of always unknowing as well. I sort of knew this was what I’d be doing eventually as well, I knew my time would come eventually. I just had to do all the young things that you do first and in sports and stuff like that. But I knew eventually the coming back and doing this full time and sharing my gifts with the world as well.
Bianca: Okay. So it was your, like you grew up around this, you know, culture culturally, you know, traditionally from your mum, right?
So you said from like the age of 11, you’ve been around this practice.
Jay: Yes. I’m around this practice through mum through watching what she does as well, and then hanging around her as well through what she does as well.
Pretty much just learning straight through that and then, like I said before, always a knowing as well. Then as I got older as well, and then went to a few more, did a few wanangas well a few courses through romi romi and miri miri as well, just so I could learn what else was out there as well.
And then when my mum passed away, I knew it was my turn to offer what we do to the world as well.
Bianca: And so tell me, like, when you say it was just always a knowing, like what did that, how did that show up for you?
Jay: A lot of visions, a lot of visions, pretty much what I’m doing now. I saw this when I was young as well.
A lot of intuitive things would come in as well. Just a lot of, a lot of visions as well. A lot of dreams when I was young as well, dreaming of things, a lot of my tupuna would come in and still do and talk to me as well, guiding me that my time would come, you know, this is what you’re doing now this is what you’re gonna be doing later on. So yeah, I just the way to knew, and saw it as well.
And does that also sort of stem to like intuitively picking up things?
Have you always sort of been able to do that on other people, like not just yourself, but another people?
Yes, exactly. Yeah. Definitely feel very intuitive. See, for instance, I felt your energy before you arrived, could feel what you needed before you got there and can fairly feel what the client needs before they get there as well.
I do my karakia and do my breath probably about 10 or 15 minutes before the client gets there and really tune out to what they need on the day as well. Some need a relaxing massage or something like that. Some need it a little bit more harder to try and get it out and provoke them out as well. But yeah.
That’s amazing. And like, you know, with, I guess the repression of indigenous culture and, you know, I’ll turn it off. And I guess was that the New Zealand schools act when they were, you know, we weren’t allowed to speak the language and practice this kind of healing.
Did your lineage of your family, of your mothers and your mother’s mother, did they have to keep this knowledge going, you know, kind of underground?
Yeah, pretty much, that’s how, when I grew up, that’s how my mum and family were using it to was pretty much used on the ground as well. Pretty much just use with family and friends and the exchange was just always koha and stuff like that. It was pretty much not advertised out there or anything like that. You sort of found out from knowing someone or through the whanau as well, pretty much keep it pretty quiet as well, because not many people knew about it as well and a lot of skeptic abaout it as well. Yeah.
Yeah. It’s really interesting that whole like skepticism, you know, I have some relatives who are very anchored in science and resisting against any level of spirituality and I’m like, well, I’m not here to convince you. It’s like, it’s that knowing to what’,s true for you is true to you.
But I find that that level of openness actually helps you yourself. Like if you don’t have to, if you, as the person on the table, isn’t trying to like mentally buy into it and just being more open to receive, you’re only helping yourself being more open to it, letting go of that resistance and I just found that that little testimonial that I wrote for you where I said,
I viscerally felt what it was like to be reconnected with my mauri. I didn’t know what I was expecting, but it wasn’t this feeling of openness and aliveness and ascended to the heavens and all the tupuna who came before me whilst also grounding to the earth and connected to my tamariki and all those who will come after me and deeply connected and appreciative for my womb as a portal of turning the spirit into the physical.’
Oh my gosh, that was intense!
….”tears, joy, smiles and heart bursting knowing with this deep sense of belonging and connection to a home away from home, no matter where I am.’
Yeah. It’s like, those are words, so I’m pretty good with words. That’s something that my mum passed down to me. I think that it’s really quite hard to put words to that feeling.
Just the aliveness. And I think when you of like sitting in a desk, you’ve got so many things to do, I’m always running a mental to do lists in your head. Like, I didn’t realize how much, like my thought forms were just actually creating that.
Like, I suppose this is a level of skepticism in myself because I’m still just becoming more sensitive and aware to it. because I hear people throw things around a lot, like, “oh, you’ve got a block” or “you’ve got an energetic block.”
I feel like there are a lot of charlatans out there, people aren’t the real deal. And I think also people’s level of sensitivity, is there’s a big range of that. But I did actually feel different to when I get osteopathy or Maya therapy, that’s looking at the physical structure of my body and how it’s interlinked and instead going righto, there are some energetic blocks here caused by some dysfunctional emotions and beliefs and it is twisting your body in this way.
And I felt like with the work that you did, I was a little bit walking around, like, it felt like a bit of an octopus, like a jellyfish.
I didn’t really quite know how to hold myself afterwards because it was aligned and I guess removed the energetic blocks and aligned me so that it was a more functional way. Is that right?
Absolutely. And pretty much getting rid of all the stuff that’s thought up through thoughts, through emotion, through whatever, and really bringing your mauri better. So your mauri is as your vibrations or life force. So that’s the feeling that you would have felt all the floatiness, which has all your being or your life, yeah.
That’s awesome. Yeah. I’m learning so much from you guys, you and Shirley-Anne even how to say mauri properly.
It’s like, so you’re trying to put the words to the feelings it’s a whole other, and then in another language is a whole other level.
So what are some of the things that I guess that you’ve sort of uncovered with people over time,
Over time? Probably most recently we could probably talk about disconnection from the cells and culture. Mostly something that’s always been around, but I guess probably because of COVID, that’s probably in the more, especially for people that can’t go back home, we have a home is New Zealand or whatever, or really disconnection from their culture feeling worthy of the culture as well, because they don’t know the language or whatever, or haven’t been brought up around their culture. That’s been coming in a lot lately as well, definitely before COVID started as well.
Okay. And so this isn’t just like an art form for, you know, Pacific and Maori people? Like this is also for Pakeha, because there’s a disconnection to right in culture.
Yeah, exactly. majority of them is that I have lately is European. They’re feeling disconnected from their culture as well, where is their place, where is my culture, wis this where I’m from and stuff like that. Yeah. And it’s been coming in quite a lot as well. So yeah. majority at the moment has being European.
That’s really interesting. Cause you know, as I do, I get into these online arguments with people because there was a, there was a girl, a Papa New Guinean girl who had her reva reva and she got denied for her facial markings and she got denied entry into a nightclub in Brisbane, not that long ago.
The whole bunch of people saying, well, you know, it’s just the rules and not realizing the difference between cultural expression and the discrimination that happens when you’re saying, oh, anyone with facial tattoos is there for a menace or a bikey or, you know, is dangerous, because the week after someone with a moko kauwae was denied entry as well.
And somebody was trying to explain what the significance of culture is and that white Western culture, it doesn’t really have a culture and this person was like, “oh, your ridiculous.” You think that, you know, that there isn’t an inherit white culture available. But I think when you actually do have an experience of what it feels like to be at the center like love and acceptance by a community connection to the land connection to yourself. And then when you suddenly kind of, you know, when you think about Australia day for instance, Australia day is all about the Australia, flag, barbies, throwing a shrimp on the barbie, a lot of alcohol, maybe singing Ozzie, Ozzie, Ozzie oi oi oi, to explain to people that haven’t had an experience of what it’s like to be connected to their culture. And then to think that’s culture, it’s like, I do’nt know trying to speak alien.
So how do you help people find that sense of connection back, within themselves, when they haven’t had an experience of culture.
Pretty much bringing them back to themselves as well as bringing their awareness back to the power that they have within themselves. Cause I’m a strong believer that we all have the answers that we have inside ourselves.
So it’s just bringing their awareness back to themselves and just confirming what they already know pretty much.
Bringing them back home and what do they really need? What are they really here for today? You know, what are they actually wanting to achieve out of this today?
Most of them is reconnecting back to themselves and through their culture as well.
Which is beautiful. That’s so beautiful because I think that everything is always about that never ending to do list in your mind and I think everything takes us away from ourselves. Like, I’ve got to do this or I’ve got to be on my phone or something else.
So just to bring yourself home to yourself, that connection that you have with yourself allows you to guide yourself more. Would you say?
And just, just taking all the hats off, not having to be a parent, a friend or anything like that, just being, just being yourself, just giving your time to just BE.
How often do we actually do that? You know? So just doing that themselves, brings them back home as well. Yeah.
So powerful. I feel like you’re such a great ambassador and custodian of this work too, because when you’re talking, it’s like, ah, it’s like a big hug. Your energy is like, oh, thanks. I can lean on you for a bit, Jay. Thanks.
Yeah. And that’s all it really is. It’s just aroha and really bringing people back to themselves, through aroha as well.
Yeah. I think it’s like not having to prove yourself, you know, to actually be able to rest. I think so much of, you know, what Western culture you to is what you have is not enough. What you’re doing is not enough. So that condition to not just always project yourself outwards and come back home to yourself, that’s a big relief in itself.
Yeah. And not really caring about and stop caring about what other people think. And especially having no judgment on yourself as well. Yeah.
Oh, it’s so freeing! I feel like there were also some questions that you asked me.
First of all, you said that you could tell how little sleep that I get, or that I’ve had over the last few years.
You were saying that my legs felt really heavy I think?
Do you feel like that was heavy energetically or heavy, like tight in the muscles?
Jay: Both. Both very, very tight on the muscles as well and heavy energetically as well, on the feet of a lot, not much time for self, running around for everybody else. tamariki and so forth. Stored energetically and yeah the muscles were very tight as well, like concrete pretty much.
Yeah. Well, don’t have three babies at once and then you might get a bit more sleep. I don’t recommend it.
So that was kind of like a physical and energetic sort of consequence of just a modern day lifestyle. And I remember you said “oh, that part sore?”
And I was like, “yeah” and you said, “oh, have you been making a lot of big decisions lately?’ And I was like, “yeah, every day is a big decision. It’s multiple and several conversations that are always big decisions.”
So are they like ways that those things manifest in the body is that the science of mirimiri?
Yeah, pretty much when we just store things up, if we only got five hours to say, not much sleep. We only getting two hours here, two hours and not getting away from much sleep, all that sort of stuff, sort of stores up, just like everything else. Our emotions that we’re feeling get stored up, big decisions that we’ve made that are making us nervous. We hold it in our shoulders and stuff as well. Yeah. stuff like that just build up over time. When we think about some of the bad things that could happen and some of the things that are stressing us out stores up in the body, for sure.
And are there like specific parts of the body that it shows up or is it different for everybody or is that like where that, where it sort of intersects with that intuition
Pretty much different where they, everybody, pretty much people are all at differently in different parts of the body as well, depending how they hold themselves and how much they’re holding on to as well.
Awesome. And the instrument that instrument that you play, what’s that called and what’s the role of it?
So I play the drum of course as well, pretty much my favorite instrument is the active drum as well, and that’s something that I’ve introduced in the last year or two, it’s good for me as well and my kids love it as well, easy to put them to sleep when you beat the drum over themas well and if they can’t sleep, they yell out for the drum.
Yeah. So I play the Putatara as well. So the putatara is the corn shell, pretty much it’s like the , you could say it was like the maori cell phone back in the day they used it to call out to the other iwi or other tribes.
So I played that as well, and I play that when I’m calling in the tupuna of the person, of my clients as well and bringing in all the aroha, all their tupuna, all their ancestors I call it in with the corn shell as well. I started with that and ending with it as well, thanking them and allowing them to go back as well.
And just in case your listing and you don’t know aroha, that’s love and tupuna is ancestors.
So that’s the work that you’re doing, that’s like the frequency of love, right? Aroha.
Yeah. So yeah, aroha and I call in tupuna because they help me during the session with their loved ones as well, pretty much guide me for what the person needs on that day. Pretty much before the person gets there too.
Wow. Well, it’s like, you definitely have such a gift for it.
You know, personally you have a gift gift, but then you can also tell the level of skill that you’ve developed, you know, your own mastery, the dedication that you’ve the time and the energy and the effort and the care that you’ve put into honing those skills.
And I love how it’s individual to the person, it’s not just like a formula, it’s not like a production line of do this thing, a recipe, you know, not one plus two plus three it’s, whatever people are coming and and what you’re calling through and what their tupuna calling through.
Every session is different. Some people would just come in and they just want to talk and it’s there to have them on the table. Some of them is just working with their feet and just grounding them back to their land. So, yeah, every session is very different to them.
And what do you find, do you find people like, do you have a lot of people that just come for one-offs or are they more, so people come in like, like too many people just come and see every single week or is it more like maybe they do it every month?
At the start of people’s that they’ve seen me, but they normally start coming for a couple of weeks every week, at least once a week. And then now regularly I have a lot of clients that are just monthly, just topping up their way to learn that
thought up, that they’ve letting go off pretty much to keep them going, maintain everything I got rid of last time. But yeah, that’s mostly monthly, but at the start weekly as well.
Yeah. Well, I feel like you’ve resurrected the whole orbit of my system, you’ve moved galaxies and then it was like, yeah, feeling that an aliveness, just all channeling through me. And then, at the end of the session, it was like, you just put a little lid on it. So it was like, wow, I’ve got this whole new way of existing that I never realized. So that kind of like blew me out of the ocean for a little while. But now that I’m hearing you talking, I’m like, I definitely want to come back and get a bit of a rhythm happening.
Yeah. So if anyone asking if Jay’s is the real deal legit, you can tell he said for, is what, what would you say to anybody who maybe is just like sitting on the fence and wondering about giving it a go?
I would say it’s normally an emotions or fear that stops us from doing what we want to do sometimes if you’re getting the call to come, that’s obviously your heart or your tupuna asking you to come as well.
My advice would be step into that fear because the other side of it, is what you’re looking for. Yeah. That’s probably what would be my advice.
Oh, it’s so beautiful. I feel like it’s, it’s a real nourishment
of your soul. You know, I think if we didn’t have so many, you know, false appetites for things because you know, like you reach for food when you’re really thirsty or you are reaching for your phone when you’re really actually spiritually hungry and looking for connection and looking for your place and you’re not going to find it scrolling your phone.
I felt like the experience was yeah like drenching every cell in my body in like actual nutrients and nourishment, so that I didn’t have to look outside myself to those habits that are, that take away from your health, they feel good at the moment, but they take away from your health overall.
Anything else that you wanted to add?
Any, other questions? You had for me?
I think I’m just really excited to share this, to hear other people’s stories.
I think I really loved it and like to hear that there are common threads of those experiences, you know the themes that come out, you were saying in Australia, a lot of the theme that comes is disconnection, but then in Aotearoa, a lot of the things that comes is like anger and feeling trapped or repressed? What are maybe some of the experiences or transformations that you’ve seen happen that sort of spring to mind?
Transformations, I guess through a lot of the time I’ve been working with a lot of grief at the moment. A lot of people that have lost a loved one that they’ve been with for a long time or wife or something like that. And really when they first come in and are very scared, of course what’s going on as well. But after time they reconnect with themselves because their whole life has been with a partner and that partner is being away now. So what is their place in the world as well. So really coming back to the heart, you know, why, you know, and then bringing them back to themselves through that as well as being most transformations and stuff that I’ve seen able to love themselves again, even though they’ve lost the love of their life as well.
Wow. That’s so intense because it would be a whole identity shift for somebody,
you know? And like when you’re wrapped up, when your identity is wrapped up in your so-and-so’s wife, or this is how I love them and they love me. And then suddenly if you just have that ripped away from you, like you’ve gone through all your life or, you know, 10 years, 20 years, or just like a significant chunk of your life. And that, that love is now something that you have to seek inside of yourself to get that reflection back, in memories and in the time that you’ve had together, but also moving forward, like thats a whole other level of reconnecting to yourself.
Yeah. Definitely all your plans that you heard or changed your purpose. Yeah. That’s all total realignment. What is my place now? What do I do now? Yeah.
It’s not really like rocking up and getting a massage, is it?
You did. Yeah. I think, I think it’s really, like, I, I felt really sort of unsteady a lot, but that was because like a lot of my, a lot of my stuff is like getting ready to fight. Like, what am I going to do? I’m going to fight that I’m going to push that way. You know, I’ve got to make efforts. And so to kind of realign all of that, it was like, whoa. But it gave me a new permission of like, oh, okay. That’s how I can stand. If I don’t feel like I’ve got the weight of the world on my shoulders.
I’m good. I’m good. I’m just going to bask and all that also wisdom.
Yeah. thanks so much.
Well, I’m excited for people to listen to this and, and check you out. What’s the best way to find you Jay.
Find me on Facebook or Instagram on the Jay Hauora healing. That’s probably the best way to find me yeah and I’m based Warana and Woombye as well on the Sunshine Coast,
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